The Music Of David Grisman

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By Wesman Todd Shaw

David Grisman, Mandolin Master

Now in the world of Bluegrass, Folk, and Jazz music there are a lot of virtuoso musicians, and even in jazz there are probably a lot of great mandolin players, but nobody in American music has expanded the boundaries of traditional music, or the boundaries of mandolin music so much as has David Grisman. David Grisman, master mandolin player that he is, isn't even known as David Grisman so much any more - and neither is his music known as jazz, or bluegrass, both David and his music are known as Dawg, and in the case of the music, Dawg music.

If you wanted to get right down to it, then you could say that David Grisman practically created the Dawg Grass, or as Tony Rice calls it, Spacegrass music genre. It's not that the idea behind those kinds of music is so unique, it isn't, it's the implementation of the music that is unique. Basically, Grisman brought Django Reinhardt and Jazz to the Bluegrass Music Appalachia, and used traditional American folk instruments to create Jazz Grass.

A Younger David Grisman With Jethro Burns(Left) and Tiny Moore(Right)

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David Grisman - NOT Bluegrass

Now the mandolin has always been one of the dominant stringed instruments in any musical genre. Basically, a mandolin is the same as a violin, but it's got dual strings where the violin has single strings, and the mandolin is fretted, and meant to be played with a plectrum. The mandolin is also designed to primarily be tuned just as the fiddle is, with the exception of the dual strings, which give you an extra four to tune, and the wonderful chorus effect that you hear when enjoying listening to or playing a mandolin.

Mandolins have always been present in classical and folk music, and especially in Celtic folk music from the British Islands, and as we all know, when that music crossed the Atlantic in the minds and hearts of the U.K. and Irish immigrants, they brought it and their mandolins to the new world where, in time, Bluegrass music was formed.

Make no mistake, David Grisman started off his mandolin playing career as a top notch bluegrass player such as his contemporary Ricky Skaggs, but while Skaggs was always a traditionalist, Grisman was always an alternative type.

But let's hear David Grisman now, shall we? Yes we shall. This music by the super group of absolute virtuoso musicians was where I first became acquainted with the music of David Grisman, but Muleskinner is not Dawg Music, or Spacegrass, but rather, it's a bunch of extremely talented hippies playing Bluegrass.

David Grisman in Muleskinner - New Camptown Races.

David Grisman And The Grateful Dead

A lot of people who are casual fans of The Grateful Dead aren't aware that Jerry Garcia, prior to heading The Dead, had been a bluegrass picker. It's really hard to miss the traditional music influence on the music of The Grateful Dead, but folks more in tune with American musical forms always pick up on that with great ease. David Grisman had always been a huge friend of the late Jerry Garcia, and he appeared on what is probably the most known and loved album that The Grateful Dead had every recorded, the album American Beauty. Though The Grateful Dead was never a F.M. radio hit machine, that band put out many timeless songs that will in time become absolute staples of American Folk Music, and one of the songs most likely to never leave the consciousness of the American mind is Ripple, which features the mandolin playing of David Grisman.

Besides David Grisman working with The Grateful Dead, he has also recorded with the late Jerry Garcia in projects such as Old And In The way, and with both Jerry Garcia and the absolute modern master of flatpicking acoustic guitar, Tony Rice, on obscure and amazing albums such as The Pizza Tapes, which were basically just three friends hanging out and playing together while letting themselves be recorded....and the tapes were stolen by the pizza delivery man!

"RIpple," Featuring David Grisman - By The Grateful Dead.

David Grisman With His Gibson F5 Lloyd Loar Mandolin, "Crusher."

David Grisman And The Gibson F5 Mandolin

Now David Grisman plays a Gibson F5 Mandolin, and I have to say, there's nothing the slightest bit unique about that. Almost every single last major American musician that plays the mandolin plays a Gibson F5. Don't think that this is strange, it's a timeless instrument, and there isn't really a better kind of mandolin made.

If a mandolin player isn't playing an F5 by Gibson, then you can well bet they want to own one, or in fact, are playing a smaller manufacturer's copy of an F5. There are lots of small manufacturers making fine copies of the legendary Gibson F5, and Collings Guitars out of Austin, Texas comes to mind here.

There's more to David Grisman's own Gibson F5 though, David's primary instrument is an F5 made by the legendary luthier that created the design of the Gibson F5, and that man's name is Lloyd Loar - a man who's mandolins will be remembered in such a way as is equal to the violins of Stradivarius.

Like many other musicians who've taken a famous instrument and made it more famous, David has a pet name for his Lloyd Loar Gibson F5 Mandolin, he and the whole world now call his instrument Crusher.

So far as a comparison to David Grisman - there is Ricky Skaggs to consider. While David Grisman is a mandolin master that has expanded the genres of music that mandolins are played in by incorporating a lot of jam band style free form ideas and the jazz of Django Reinghardt; Ricky Skaggs is purely an Appalachian country boy that can play the fire out of the mandolin, but does so primarily in traditional styles, but also writes his own music in those traditional styles, and also covers many a public domain tune - bringing those old tunes back into the front of the folk consciousness. I consider David Grisman and Ricky Skaggs equals on the mandolin, and they're definitely contemporaries and peers. One is primarily a country boy, and the other is really a hippie. I like them both very much.

So far as the hippie space jazz bluegrass on mandolin is concerned, I'd like to round this out with my very favourite two tunes composed by David Grisman, and also featuring another of my favourite musicians, his primary guitarist of choice, and fellow gasoline brother, Tony Rice.

The David Grisman Quintet "Pneumonia."

The David Grisman Quintet, "E.M.D."

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Theeyeballkid Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Great hub Wesman, I am only familiar with David Grisman through his collaborations with Jerry Garcia on the Pizza tapes and Grateful Dawg. I love those albums and your hub has convinced me to check out his back catalogue.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks very much, Theeyeballkid !!!!!!!!!

If you are more into music with vocals - then I'd suggest "Muleskinner."

If you're more into instrumental music, then I'd suggest the original album "The David Grisman Quintet."

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Joyus Crynoid Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

Dawg is one of my heros. Excellent hub and great videos! There is one error however--in the picture you have under the caption "David Grisman With His Gibson F5 Lloyd Loar Mandolin, "Crusher" the mandolin he is holding is not Crusher--it's a Monteleone, not a Gibson (and not an F5). You can tell because the scroll and headstock are shaped differently than on an F5. I actually have a copy of that mandolin that Grisman sold me in 1987, made by Kentucky Mandolins--the KM-DAWG model.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was in a hurry to get something "done enough" for publishing. Thanks For the Tip!!! I'll change that up ASAP!

Now that you've pointed that out - it's easy to see the headstock is different!

WoW! You've met David!!!! That's awesome!

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Joyus Crynoid Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

That's it! Yes, met him, and heard him in concert many times, with various versions of his band. Never had the pleasure of picking with him though. Maybe some day...

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Hey Joyus, thanks again for that prompt correction!!!!

I've no idea where David lives, but I've a friend in Washington State that is friends with a daughter of his, and I'm told that he's just a very regular and friendly guy.

Of course some folks when they get into their professional atmosphere....and especially with a performer, they might tend to "build walls" or something around themselves.

Nothing I'd fault anyone for - I'd imagine that one has to do that when there are so many fans and admirers around.

I've not got to ever see David, but of the great mandolin players that I have seen, here's a guy you probably know of:

http://www.johnreischman.com/

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Joyus Crynoid Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

Yes, I've got several recordings of Reischman playing in various bands (including the Tony Rice Unit), and heard him in concert several times. He's fantastic. He actually let me pick on his Lloyd Loar (which he had only recently acquired) back in the early 80s when I saw him with the Good Ol' Persons, at a pizza joint in Berkeley. That was for sure the most amazing mando I've ever laid hands on!

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

You're a lucky guy!!!!! No doubt you can play to be able to swing that kind of thing!!!

I saw Reischman the last time I got to go to the Walnut Valley Festival, and he had an amazing band of all stars with him at the time.

The only group that could compare to the Reischman band was the "Yonder Mountain String Band" - awesome stuff from a younger generation.

I already know that you know, but I also love the contests there, and I'd love to get to go to Merlefest some year. It's a different setting to where you can't really "stretch out," but also very enjoyable to see (the contests.)

I'm not a mandolin player, but that doesn't mean that I can't play one a little if I happen to have one!!!! I've got lots of mandolin tab around here. I took guitar lessons from a guy once that owned an F5, and he went out of town and didn't want to leave that mandolin in his apartment, so he left it with me to play with!!!

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Joyus Crynoid Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

Cool! I really want to get back to Winfield one of these years. I used to go when I was living in KC (from 2000-2005), and once back in the early 80s. I've got a bunch of friends who still go every year, and I miss hanging with them. It is such a great picker's fest. But now that I'm living in Maine it's a bit too far. I've not been to Merlefest, but have heard nothing but good things about it.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

WOA! Yeah, you're in a different part of the world! I hear there is a whole different but similar style of stuff going up there - a much more French Canadian take on the Appalachian ideal!

I'm at a loss of what the term is though. I've got some music for those kinds of Celtic Dance tunes too, of course. I've just not been playing so much these days. I never stop listening to music though, as that's where my inspiration lies.

I can't recall which year it was the last time I went to Winfield, but it's possible that I've seen you there between 2000 and 2005, but most likely it was around 2000 when I last attended.

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Fiddleman Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

Yeah buddym Dawg can git er done and is one of my son Gary's favorites. Great hub.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Heck Yeah FIDDLEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet ol' Dawg would be a mite finer person to have a brew with than our other mandolin guy Skaggs.

Of course we have many another fine mandolin picker too out there too!

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Fiddleman Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

We have never met David or Dawg but we have met Ricky whose father came to this area after having met a fine young mandolin player,Danny Arms from Greer, SC and was a big time coon hunter. Talk about some living room jams, there wasn't any finer in Caroliner. Danny went on to with Carl Story but told me recently he just got burnt out with all the hoopla and enjoys a more casual setting these days. As for Skaggs though a great musician and his band a premier bluegrass band, his attitude sometimes shows and is not at all conducive to making friends.

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christopheranton Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

Great hub Wesman. Your enthusiasm for the music always shines through. I listened to , and enjoyed the videos, even though it is not my personal first choice of music.

Those guys can certainly make their instruments sing.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Fiddleman - CARL STORY!!!! There's some stuff there that I need to dig into some more!!!!

Thanks for dropping that name! That's one that had slipped to the far back of my mind, that needs to be brought back closer to the front!

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks Chris!!! It's really Roma Gypsy Jazz music mixed with Appalachian bluegrass - and done in that kind of instrumentation.

It's definitely a weird form of acoustic fusion, it's not for everyone, and it had to grow on me some before it started to stick!!!

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KF Raizor Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Jethro Burns (left in the photo with David) used to have a joke about his answering machine. He said he put a message on his answering machine that said, "By sheer luck you have reached the home of the greatest mandolin player in the world. He's not home right now, but leave a message and he'll return your call." He said he came home one day and played the answering machine back and the message was, "Fine. Can you have Mr. Grisman call me when he gets home?"

Thanks for the good hub about Dawg.

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT COMMENT IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Hey, do you happen to know the others in the photo??? I hadn't realized who all is in that, but I do know the name "Jethro Burns."

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Joyus Crynoid Level 3 Commenter 3 months ago

The guy on the right is Tiny Moore, another amazing jazz mandolinist. The mandolin that Tiny is holding appears to be a Monteleone acoustic, but his usual axe was a 5 string solid-body electric. Dawg produced an album by Tiny and Jethro, caled Back to Back, in 1979; I expect that photo was from those sessions. It is a classic album of two giants of the jazz mandolin at their best, and has been re-released on Acoustic Disc:

http://www.dawgnet.com/acd_html/acd60.html

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

Joyus Crynoid - Thanks for the information!!!!!!!!!

I might hit up a p2p and see if I can download that! I'm going to caption or title the photo with the names.

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KF Raizor Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Thanks, Joyus for jumping in to ID Tiny Moore. Wesman, the "Back to Back" album that Jethro did with Tiny was superb (I recommend getting the two CD "deluxe edition" that has alternative or "rehearsal" takes).

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Wesman Todd Shaw Hub Author 3 months ago

I recognize "Swing 39" on the album, and I've always loved hearing David Do Swing 42!!!

That's just a joyful and upbeat tune if I've ever heard one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cVhbflQzjQ

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